gooroo

*knods* Friend, the nature of a forum is it records every word you have said, and you sir, look like an utter moron if ones to search back and collage your posts.

 

Above all, you haven’t put forward one piece of logical evidence for the claims laid against you, just babbled about sh!t (and you don’t even seem aware of it) God help you, if English is your first language.

 

Keep digging that dark dank little hole of yours

There is nothing like advice from a Toothless Terrorist. Is it the lack of teeth (or is it perhaps some mental disability?) which limits your vocabulary to four letter words? In any case, it looks like you have found your element here; the "soft" part is evident

gooroo

Clever? lol - you douche. An IP's an IP. Anyone on this forum can use Google, and see how spesh you are.

 

The fact you fools sound the same, and come from the the same IP and back pat each other is a little more then coincidence! HAHAH and to watch you backpedal is the best. I have sent this thread to all my work colleagues and mates - so good EPIC FAIL bish

Great--Mite (phonetic spelling)!

Unfortunately, you don't know how to read, or think straight, or reason.

To see a fool, just look in the mirror

gooroo

Here is one thing that I do know

 

gooroo, musikone and musik-too all share the same IP address, and strikingly similar email addresses. If you don't know each other as you claim not too, perhaps you should check your spare bedroom, you might strike up a friendship. It appears you need one.

 

p.s. Ben never left........

 

MichaelGee, I'm handing this guy over to you...deal with him as you see fit

Gotcha!!

You are wrong (once again!) when you say to gooroo: "You have been warned. I'm surprised that you are back". Apparently you do not understand how these NCH forums work, so let me explain it to you. By definition, a "user" of one of these forums is identified (what else?) by a user ID. Hence it is clear that gooroo never left this forum. So how can he possibly be "back"? What has happened here, of course, is that gooroo replaced musikone in this forum (the law of Unintended Consequences) after you booted him out of here last September. This a circumstance of your own making, so its happening should hardly be surprising. You have no one but yourself to blame for the fact that you are using these two forums (Switch and WavePad) in a manner that they were never intended to be used.

It is irrelevant to forum operation that musikone and gooroo use the same computer. This is hardly a secret (except to the vast majority of forum users, who do not understand the nature of IP addressing), even though you believe that you have pulled off some sort of a clever coup by using IP addressing as proof that musikone and gooroo are one and the same. They are not and never will be. Period. [note: unless you can find a way to prevent it, if gooroo is booted out of here, his replacement in these forums will soon be on the way].

Gooroo can "stay"--if?

When you were unable to defend your company against musikone's increasing criticism of both its business practices and lack of corrective action for defective software, you decided that it was necessary to CENSOR this criticism by preventing him from any further posting in NCH forums. And this despite the fact that he had, in several posts, helped a lot of users to use, if not understand, their NCH conversion and sound editing software, whether or not they had purchased a software license. What is of paramount importance to you is that, since you are unwilling and/or unable to defend against it, such criticism not appear here. Despite your dedication to this effort at suppression, you insist that it is NCH's forum objective to help befuddled users (licensed or not) who have (often long-standing) problems with their NCH software.

It does not matter to you that the help which musikone and/or gooroo and/or gooroo's replacement provided (or provide) might succeed in convincing some of those who have not paid for a license to add to their understanding and skills, to the point that they might purchase software that they otherwise would not purchase. You are too busy weighing the financial consequences of allowing indefensible criticism to be exposed in public, versus selling additional software licenses. I sympathize with you, nchaj; this is indeed a tough road to follow. It has been proved, over and over and over again in business, that it is infinitely better to address criticism, rather than try to hide your problems by using the age-old censor's snippers!

Incidentally, you state that Ben never left, despite the fact that he posted a forum notice that he was leaving for a one-year visit. However, I have not seen a notice posted that he has not left. Why do you suppose that users were left with the impression that he was gone? Be that as it may, in view of the fact that Ben is still around, I would urge you to step down gracefully and let Ben have this job. At least, we might then be able to get some STRAIGHT answers in these forums to nagging questions! I do not remember Ben ever resorting to the censor's snipper to avoid answering criticism.

And finally, I can certainly understand why you now wish to toss this issue into poor Michael's lap, while you maintain control over what he is doing and how he does it! You say: "I will let Michael deal with this guy". In danger of repeating myself, there is no "guy" involved here. There are two different forum users, with the promise of more to come along in the future, presenting the same criticisms. So how will Michael address these criticisms, when you have taught him how to address them by using the censor's snippers and are watching his every move?

A (repeat) lesson in English grammar

By the way, don't judges (you are the presumptive "judge" in these NCH support forums) in the capital city of Australia understand the English language? In this language, the object of a preposition ("about" is a preposition) is correctly in the accusative case. The fact that the object of a preposition may be compound (contain two or more items; e.g., "musikone and I") does not alter the requirement that each item be in the accusative case. For your information, in the phrase "about musikone and I", the compound object of the preposition "about" is in the nominative case, which is Wrong, Wrong, Wrong! Note that I do not need to resort to IP addressing to conclude that your English grammar is abominable. Indeed, it took you only a few words to screw up our language.

gooroo

hahaha, you are quite knowledgable about musikone and I, things only Musikone and I would know - oh please Al, Stop the games.

Let this forum be for community help, of it stays that way, you too can stay.

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Gotcha!!

I can stay? Even though I am not "back"? That's a good one.

Apparently you did not read what I said, and just jumped to conclusions. So let me repeat; listen carefully. I have been reading the posts in both WavePad and Switch for a long, long time without registering. Perhaps you are not aware that this is possible. During that time, I have acquired a lot of knowledge about Musikone and NCH. One has only to able to read in order to put together what happened, both with your company and with the general atmosphere of these forums.

So you think that I am someone named "Al", and Musikone by extension, simply because he often added "Al is in Wonderland!" at the end of a post?

Your powers of logical deduction are quite faulty. You claimed in a WavePad post not too long ago that I had been warned, and you are surprised that I am back. I asked you to cite any references that you have which show such a warning. You failed to do so; of course you cannot, since they do not exist, other than being figments of your vivid imagination.

But I will give you another chance, which you will of course fail, just you like your failure to provide proof that I have been "warned"; proof which is supported by your faulty powers of logic. Every bit of knowledge that I have about Musikone and NCH has been posted in these forums that I have been reading silently for such a long time. Name just ONE bit of knowledge that you claim that I have, leading you to deduce that I am somebody named Al (Musikone's alter ego) who used this name in connection with Musikone, which was not posted in these forums over the past several months.

You cannot do so and have fallen flat on your face.

I am still waiting for answers from you that make sense. You are indeed holding KANGAROO court, while not understanding the nature of legal arguments. I would suggest that you attend law school and come back here (after you fail the law exams) if you still want to play judge.

gooroo

By the way, don't judges in the capital city of this country know that the object of a preposition ("about") is supposed to be in the accusative case? For your information, the compound object of this preposition, "musikone and I", is in the nominative case? Hence I must say, nchaj, that your English grammar is abominable. So this is something else that I now know about you--again posted for the whole world to see, without and logical deduction being required. I should add that it only took you just a few words to screw up our language

When I registered for this forum a little while ago, I was hoping that I could demonstrate how my superior knowledge of music helps in the use of NCH format conversion (Switch) and sound-editing software (WavePad). But I now find myself being publicly berated by some silly kangaroo!

 

Out of the bush and slicing through the Goo, just for you?

 

 

 

music-too

Be careful there, mite (phonetic spelling!). I'm hopping mad

You are calling me silly?

You, who thinks that he can converse with the dead and long departed?

But let me remind you, musik-too. This forum is not a place for the discussion of music, as much as you would like to demonstrate your musical superiority. No, it is full of mites who are itching (pardon the expression) to get help finding out how to make this (and also in other forums) NCH software perform in the manner that is advertised. So why don't you redirect your efforts where they are needed, instead of making fun of a "silly kangaroo" who is seeking to help befuddled users in this forum?

gooroo

I should add that I have tested using files that successfully converted before and it does not work (so it is not the file), and that while I specifically want to convert to MP3 I have tried to convert to other formats and none work (so it must be a converting-from-OGG problem).

 

+ Also tried the proposed solution listed here, but (as with that person) it did not seem to help.

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This problem with ogg is _not_ limited to the Macintosh operating system. I am using Windows XP and have tried unsuccessfully to get NCH to produce software that will open (read) an ogg file. They claim that their software will do this, but it will not, despite the fact that they have auxiliary ogg "components" which can be downloaded, purportedly for decoding ogg and saving as ogg--but do nothing!!

 

It is high time that NCH fix this glaring error, or bug, or whatever one wishes to call it.

 

 

Musikone

[Al is in Wonderland!]

 

 

I agree with you! You see, I know something about music, too. In fact, I may know more about music than you do! I do not believe that you should be allowed to hog all of this forum space with your back-patting. What do you have to say for yourself?

 

By the way, what is this "Al is in Wonderland!" thing all about?

 

 

musik-too

Musik-too, I think that there is something that you ought to know. You are trying to strike up a conversation with a corpse! musikone was banned from participating in at least two NCH forums (WavePad and Switch) sometime late in the fall of 2008, for sharply criticizing NCH's lack of technical support and the way that it administers its user forums, like this one. It was well known at the time that musikone had an excellent knowledge of audio principles, engineering, and associated software operation. He was able to answer complex technical questions with ease, and helped many users, consistently, to understand the principles involved--in a manner very similar to what I am doing in these user forums at the present time. In fact, Ben, the NCH employee administering the Switch forum at that time, specifically commended musikone for his fine work in answering and untangling many questions, even though musikone tried very hard not simply to toss out the answer without giving the one posing a question the opportunity to work through the issue that was puzzling him. Then Ben left this company for America, I understand; he said that he was going on a one year leave of absence. I doubt that he will be back, however, since things have taken a sharp turn for the worse, now that NCH (I believe, based upon all of the evidence) has sold out to a new operation which kept the name and the product line but seems hard put to keep up with all of the pressures. Certainly Ben has not been replaced by anyone currently on the scene at NCH.

I watched all of this happen from the sidelines, way back in the late summer of 2008, before I chose to register for these forums in order to be able to participate. This was certainly a long, long time to "lurk" (as it is commonly known) around here. Most users only spend a few days or weeks at most getting the lay of the land before jumping into the fray--which is exactly what it has turned out to be here. This is indeed a sad state of affairs, in which the emphasis of the forum administration (with the exception of Michael Jee, who is "caught in the middle") is now, first and foremost, to muzzle criticism of the company, even to the point of banning the criticizer from participation in these discussions, instead of welcoming the exceptional knowledge and expertise that those like musikone brought. Once again, let me repeat, Michael would like to address the problems with the software (bugs, failure to deliver on past promises, etc., etc.), while his administration superiors seem bent upon muzzling criticism of the company.

Obviously, as those who read my posts are well aware, I come down on the side of technical accuracy, clarity, and honesty--just as our dear, beloved musikone did before he got the boot! And look what it got him! At least he was warned by the administration at that time (the same that we have here now) that he was on dangerous ground before he was unceremoniously yanked off the NCH forums. Just a few days ago, this forum administrator, nchaj, posted in the WavePad forum (go over there and read it) the following comment directed to me, implying displeasure with something that went on during the discussion thread or threads in which I was involved. Her comment seemed to indicate that I had been warned, that I had been banned from these forums, and that she was surprised that I was "back"!

This is of course absurd. I don't know what nchaj is talking about. Certainly she remembers her run-in with musikone and subsequently giving him the boot from these forums. Now she is claiming that I have been warned, when in fact no such warning has ever been given to me! Can it be possible that she is confusing me with someone else? I have asked nchaj to cite the post or posts in which a warning was given. I have asked her what this "warning" was about. She has now had sufficient time to furnish those citations; I of course need them in order to be able to understand exactly what these "charges" against me are. Needless to say, of course, no such citations have been forthcoming. Nor will they be, because they do not exist! What we are getting now from nchaj is silence. In short, it appears that I am being tried here in KANGAROO COURT), without there being any evidence supplied to support a statement that was made a few days ago by the chief judge, jury, and executioner! I am still waiting for your bill of particulars, nchaj. Show me that warning (or those warnings) that you claimed were given to me about something undisclosed, by someone undisclosed, at undisclosed times and dates. This type of charge is appropriately referred to as "full undisclosure".

Meanwhile, while we are all anxiously waiting, and waiting, and waiting for these citations to appear so that we may proceed, please refrain from trying to talk to a dead man, musik-too. Who are you to criticize the dead (forum "criminal") musikone? When you acquire the knowledge that he has (or had, if he happens to be alive somewhere), then you can at least think about referring to him in the past tense in these forums. You will have your time later to enter into these discussions. For the moment, hold your piece. But just remember, musikone was a true martyr; a champion of knowledge, common sense, fair play, business, etc., etc.! Do I make myself clear? I certainly hope so.

Musik-too, indeed! You sound to me more like cacophony than beauty.

gooroo

(it's about time to clean house!)

I've actually been able to edit the flac files quite successfully. The problem is only the display of the waveform. I ended up having to play lots of bits of the file to find out where to edit it which was rather tedious but did work out in the end. I did encounter one problem where the cut ended up at the wrong position but that was due to the waveform not being redrawn. I make sure I scroll a bit to the left and right and that seems to correct it.

 

Anyway, thanks for the reply. Should I file a bug report for this?

 

Rob.

First, since you can edit a flac file with WavePad and I cannot, I assume that this is because I have the older version 3.04 (which does not handle flac files correctly) and that you are using the upgraded version, which has at least partially corrected the completely flac-faulty earlier version. I could be wrong, of course. One thing is virtually certain, however; an answer cannot be obtained directly by those (the software developers--the high priests within this caste system, as it were) who are the only ones that really know what is going on flac, but do not want to take any flac :-). These (busy) people cannot be "bothered" giving direct answers to queries from disgruntled WavePad users, most of whom are not technically sophisticated (and literate) enough to deal directly with those who are. Since these same developers also give little credence to a third-party attempt to get a disgruntled user off the company's back by giving him/her some type of answer, a third-party answer to a user's complaint is quite unlikely to be very effective. But should we can the middleman, who may be doing his very best?

Now about answering your question. In view of this vey wobbly "forum interface" between the developers and software users who are trying to get answers to their questions via this forum (which is presented to them as the appropriate channel for doing so, without paying an extra "support" charge), any attempt by me to provide a meaningful answer to you about your filing or not filing a bug report lies well outside my pay grade :-)

gooroo

(telling it like it is--for better or worse)

No, I meant the vertical zoom (amplitude not time). The horizontal zoom works fine (apart from some minor redraw issues).

 

Rob.

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Rob,

Here I am, back in a flash after trying to load one of my .flac files into WavePad. I did not succeed. There was a quick flash in the window and it returned to its blank stare, without making any attempt to load a file using the well-known progress bar. Therefore, what I conclude from this futile exercise (I tried several times with different .flac files) is that something is wrong with the WavePad program in its loading of such files. I have the latest version of DirectX installed in my computer, and I cannot see any reason why I can't get decode a .flac file. I admit, however, that I am using version 3.04 of WavePad, and I don't know whether or not any attempt to fix this problem was made in the latest version release. I suspect that it was, since you at least got something resembling a proper loading of the file, while I do not.

If you are interested in a guaranteed solution to the problem of sound wave editing, beginning with a .flac file (I do this day in and day out in my continuing music editing), send me a private message. I assume that you know how to do this. But if you do not, start with "My Controls" at the top of your screen and go from there. The process is easy and intuitive. I cannot guarantee that you will like my "solution," however

gooroo

Hi,

 

When I read in a flac file, the waveform is zoomed in too much so I can't see the profile properly. The 'Vertical Zoom' (ctrl-shift-v) button only makes it worse. Is there a way to reduce the zoom?

I assume that you mean a horizontal zoom, which decreases or increase the portion (i.e., the time length) of the waveform that is shown in the window.

After the file is loaded in, at the bottom of the window you will see a couple of little magnifying glass icons, one containing a minus sign, the other containing a plus sign. Guess what? When you click on the plus sign, you will zoom in on the display; when you click on the minus sign, you will zoom out on the display.

Amazing! :-)

On second thought--this is not all that amazing, since this information is contained in the help file (I think). Read it (do as I say, not as I do at this very moment :-)) and you will certainly find this information there--somewhere.

gooroo

Have you had any success with this yet? I need to do the same thing. It seems like every format is supported except the one we want.

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Simply convert your MP3 files to .wav files (Switch will do this easily) and then burn these .wav files to an audio CD. Make sure, of course, that the total size of the .wav files that you want to cram on this CD does not exceed its capacity.

Any burning software will do this most routine of burning tasks.

gooroo

I'm really hoping to hear some word before Feb. 15th when the price promotion ends.

Could MichaelJee, nchaj or anyone else please provide me with confirmation that WavePad Master version

will work dependably on my system without extensive troubleshooting and tech support?

 

Please don't let gooroo hijack my question like he has the forum.

 

Thanks guys.

So gooroo hijacked your question?

This is certainly an interesting perspective, spoken by the one who is trying to hijact this forum by requesting a special favor (the time of a busy forum administrator) to give the poster something which the NCH rules of forum participation specifically discourage. If such a special favor were given to you, then the forum administration would certainly have to give this same type of help to everyone else who might ask for it. As I have noted, it is for this very clear reason that user's are requested to get their help from other member's of the using community, rather than from a direct request for help to a forum administrator. You know this very well, but believe that you have some sort of special privilege for receiving such assistance!

Talk about "hijacking". Indeed.

gooroo

Gooroo has been warned before, I'm surprised he is back

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I'm surprised too--but not to be "back"!

With all due respect, I haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about! Warned? When, and by whom, and about what? In order that we can continue this conversation in a sensible and relevant manner, please cite the specific post or posts in which I have been "warned," along with their dates, so that I can look them up to discover what this is all about. Surely you must be mistaking me for someone else!

But first for those cited warning references......

Thank you and looking forward to quick reply.

Sincerely,

gooroo

I have read the 'what this forum IS and IS NOT' post, as well as 6 of the 53 pages of posts, the troubleshooting FAQ and the WavePad help manual. So your advice in this post is bunk, gooroo, as in all the posts I've read of yours. At least you are less insulting in your reply to my question.

I don't know what you're doing in this forum as you seem more concerned with insulting the members' intelligence than with being of any assistance. I've read a good number of your posts and I think you're doing NCH a terrible disservice. I think they'd be concerned to hear that you, gooroo, have made me less likely to purchase the Master version. What are you even DOING here? You obviously don't have questions about the WavePad free version.

These people have genuine questions regarding an NCH software product and neither NCH or the forum members deserve your condescending replies. My advice to NCH software would be to block you from this forum in the interests of closing all possible sales of the Master version through this forum.

gooroo

Hello MichaelJee, NCH and forum members.

 

I'm working with the free basic version of WavePad 3.14 for PPC Mac on my Powerbook G4 and I really like the program.

My version seems to suffer some inconveniencing bugs and the manual, troubleshooting tips and forum weren't able to address my issues.

 

For instance, when I save an audio file according to NCH Software's instructions, the same file appears empty when re-opened in WavePad (it looks like a flat waveform and will not play). I have read the instructions for 'saving as', and also I have been manually adding .wav to the end of my filename because I am using a Mac.

 

Another bug is that the 'select all' CMD+A for audio clips does not work. Or rather, it seems intermittent. I got it to work once or twice. I'm attempting to select all in order to 'save the file as' according to NCH Software's instructions for WavePad. I have to manually select as much of the file as I can using the mouse, but I lose a bit of the clip everytime this way.

 

I have un-installed and re-installed. The same problems persist.

 

I found that the same files that came up empty in WavePad worked fine in ExpressBurn (NCH's CD Burner).

It just hasn't worked as described in the manual and I'm wondering if it is a bug specific to Mac OSX.

 

I really like the interface and capabilities, and I'm considering purchasing the Master version. I'd be using it fairly often and would like it to work dependably on my system.

 

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

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My advice to you would be to read what NCH has to say about your asking for help in this forum:

"This is the Discussion Forum for the WavePad Sound Editor software. If you do not wish to purchase technical support, please feel free to ask the WavePad community for help. If your problem is not covered by the Topics on this Forum, please start your own topic and post your question. If you can answer any other users posts please do so.

Our technical support team will, on a best efforts basis, review posts and answer questions. However, this forum is designed to be self-help and relies on the WavePad community to answer users' posts."

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Please note that Michael (who will, of course, speak for himself if so inclined) is not a member of the WavePad community. Rather, he is an NCH employee who helps in the administration and monitoring of this forum, picking and choosing which questions he will address and which he will ignore. If he does not choose to answer your direct call to him for help (which seems to be discouraged by the above quote from NCH), then you will have to (shudder!) depend upon the "WavePad community" to answer your post.

In such an event, you can expect the usual response from members of the WavePad community to questions of this type, which

befuddle them. From my experience, about 99.9% of the questions asked here are "befuddling." This is due to the technical (often complex and sophisticated) nature of audio sound editing. A forum devoted to idle chit-chat and a casual exchange of pleasantries would not suffer the same fate.

Need I say more?

gooroo

(telling it like it is;

and yes, I have the time to spend here, as much as certain individuals don't like it)

Just read some earlier posts....looks like it will be a b**** to get out the level of hum that i have...uggghhhhh

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Dear Mad:

You may well be right!

Almost certainly you have a hardware problem. It is probably some sort of grounding problem, which gives even experienced audio engineers fits. There is no practical way that your problem can be diagnosed (and solved) by long distance communication. Unless there is something very obviously wrong with your hardware and/or system grounding, about the only way that you can get this problem solved is to find someone nearby who is knowledgeable in this area. If you do, and if this "someone" is not a friend, this may end up costing you Big Bucks.

In short, your prospect for success, without a significant effort and/or expense seems quite unlikely. The most important thing to be taken away from this experience is that it makes no sense to attempt to use software (such as WavePad) to correct for "hum" problems (I note that you have not analyzed, using WavePad, the completed recording to determine its spectral content in a selected portion which contains only hum but is supposed to be quiet) which arise from hardware and/or defective grounding procedures. Such an analysis can be quite useful in zeroing in on the nature and gravity of the problem). However, a novice WavePad user will almost certainly be unable to perform such analysis intelligently. This is the province of audio engineering.....

Would that I had a better answer--but I do not. However, I only have many years of experience in such matters, going back to those days before only a handful of individuals really understood these problems. However, some of our "knowledgeable" (more appropriately "smart---") participants here in this forum may presume to have the answer which rude and unhelpful people like myself cannot give you. That is, such an individual may be able to give you the "helpful" advice that he (or she, or both) thinks that you need. But then again, I am predicting that you will get silence (and more silence, and more silence, and......) from these "helpful" know-it-alls around here. Continuing silence is unlikely from the "Megomaniacs" or "Megomommas" or whatever these creatures call themselves, who are wandering about here in an anonymous fog, making occasional jabs which express their ignorance of what this forum is supposed to be about--which is of course what we can expect from fools :-).

Cheers

gooroo

(telling it like it is!)

For "gooroo" read "cuckoo"

YOU should be so crazy!

Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot........

Under a cloak of appropriately-chosen anonymity, your novice status here in this forum provides you with the ability to make a glorious fool of yourself in public. In the rather unlikely event that your presence here is questioned, you can claim that, since you are a novice, you (1) have no idea what, if anything, you are saying, (2) don't understand the discussion-forum territory, and (3) have no idea where you are headed.

Regarding point #3; you are headed for a quick trip back to the garbage heap from whence you emerged. Although you cannot understand it (undoubtedly being illiterate), this forum happens to exist for a discussion of the WavePad editor--which is of course outside your scope of reality. But don't get me wrong; I would never try to reason with a fool, who cannot possibly understand the meaning of the word.

So be on your way, Megomama; your dinner is waiting.

gooroo

(Contrary to popular advice, I do not believe that a fool should be ignored; it is a lot more entertaining to give it the exposure that it is seeking!)

It never fails to amaze how some people have got so much time to be so unhelpful and rude. I will have a go at answering the original posters question.

 

1. Wavepad or any other programme will not be able to apply noise reduction whilst it is actually recording. That is a limitation of the recording process and also because the Wavepads noise reduction requires a lot of slow processing.

 

2. The best thing is to try to stop noise getting into the recording in the first place. That is always better than trying to clean up the mess afterwards. So NCHNS's suggestions are valid. Particularly taking out the 20dB boost. If you do that, you can increase the level going into the microphone (by getting closer or speaking louder if possible). This will increase the signal to noise ratio.

 

3. You final option is to get a better microphone/sound card combination. Or buy a device such as the Zoom Handy H2 recorder.

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I believe that this post deserves another response (i.e., in addition to the one that I posted earlier today), just in case you failed to get my message in that earlier post. Call this second post "unhelpful and rude" if you wish. You of course have this right.

I find your attempt to "have a go at answering the original poster's question" incredible, at best! Paramount, note that the title of the original post is Remove Hiss During Recording.

Nothing that you have said, in attempting to defend the irrelevant response (by another novice, just like yourself, to this forum) makes any sense at all, in light of the original poster's clearly stated objective of removing hiss during recording. How and where to place the microphone and/or what volume level to use while recording have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with providing a credible answer to the poster's question!!!

If this second, much shorter and more direct response by me to your irrelevant rant is "unhelpful," then I submit that this view is yours alone. It is virtually certain that the original poster, who has not received anything intelligible from your attempted defense of the indefensible (other than an obfuscation of the central issue), would take issue with you on what is meant by the word "helpful".

In short, my objective is to answer the poster's question. Period.

I do not know what yours is.

gooroo

(just the facts--pure and simple)

It never fails to amaze how some people have got so much time to be so unhelpful and rude. I will have a go at answering the original posters question.

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Why didn't you try to answer the poster's question earlier? Didn't you have the time?

 

You seem to be disturbed that I have explained the basic concept of "noise reduction" to one who clearly does not understand it and who provided a downright wrong answer to a novice user, whom I do not expect to have a grasp of this sophisticated topic.

 

There were two points that I addressed in my "unhelpful and rude" (using your words) post. First, I explained the basic technical concept of "noise reduction" as it is used in WavePad, and is clearly understood neither by the original poster nor by the novice user who, in good faith, offered up what she(?) believed to be a credible answer. However, this answer was not credible; in fact, it was just plain wrong. By the very nature of this forum and how it is being administered, what is "unhelpful" is to gloss over, or brush under the rug as it were, a wrong answer that is provided to an innocent, unsophisticated poster from one upon whom that poster has good reason to expect should be providing knowledgeable information. So, if my exposing this answer as "misguided" at best is "unhelpful," then so be it.

 

And yes, I do have the time and the inclination to provide correct and insightful answers (often, as in this case, after waiting for a long time for someone else to provide this correct information). Users in this forum should be grateful that someone around here has the time to devote to this effort. I should point out that it takes only a fraction of a second, as it were, to toss out a wrong answer and walk away from it. Perhaps no one will notice....

 

The second point is that I explained, in relatively simple language, the basic technical concept which underlies WavePad's use of the "Fast Fourier Transform" (although I did not mention this) in the spectral subtraction noise reduction process, which the original poster had clearly used successfully to reduce hiss in completed recordings. Therefore, when this individual asked if it was possible to reduce noise during recording, instead of going through this successful process in a completed recording, it was only natural that he was referring to the use of the same type of noise reduction (spectral subtraction). It is logical to assume that he was not referring methods of microphoning to reduce outside "noise" from extraneous audio sources.

 

In other words, the response to the poster's question only managed to obfuscate the issue, since it did not address the nature of the noise reduction that he was concerned about: "Can I reduce hiss (which I have used successfully on a completed recording) during the recording process?" And yes, since it apparently takes a lot of repeating, it takes time to point out these things. A user who does not have the time to devote to a subject like this is of course free to move on to the next topic. The gooroo's mission here is clarity, which necessarily cannot always be achieved without brusqueness and briskness--whatever you wish to call it.

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1. Wavepad or any other programme will not be able to apply noise reduction whilst it is actually recording. That is a limitation of the recording process and also because the Wavepads noise reduction requires a lot of slow processing.

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I got there before you did! I took the time to do it--you did not.

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2. The best thing is to try to stop noise getting into the recording in the first place.

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As I explained above, you are confusing apples with oranges, as it were--microphoning versus noise reduction by spectral subtraction.

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That is always better than trying to clean up the mess afterwards. So NCHNS's suggestions are valid.

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No they are not, since they do not address the poster's question. If we are going to discuss microphone placement, that is one thing. However, the point of this forum is to try to understand the nature of the poster's question, based upon the way in which the question was posed. Nothing in the poster's question suggested that he was referring to "noise reduction" by microphone placement and volume control during the recording process.

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Particularly taking out the 20dB boost. If you do that, you can increase the level going into the microphone (by getting closer or speaking louder if possible). This will increase the signal to noise ratio.

 

3. You final option is to get a better microphone/sound card combination. Or buy a device such as the Zoom Handy H2 recorder.

gooroo

(reducing the noise--it takes time!)

Hi,

 

Try to reuse Mic Volume in Audio Settings. Also If you have "+20db" amplifying, you should disable it in Mic settings.

To reduce hiss, use high-pass filter(effect)

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I assume that you mean "reduce". The word "reuse" (undoubtedly a typographical error) as you have used it here does not make any sense.

Apart from this matter of using care in typing, you have entirely missed the basic concept of noise reduction, which negates the credibility of your answer to the poster's question.

It is of course a simple matter to arbitrarily reduce the amount of noise (for example, hiss) simply by turning down the volume control. Indeed, it is possible to eliminate the amount of hiss [:-)] by turning the volume control down to zero. Would that it were this simple (sigh).

Rather than "turn-down-the-volume-control" to cut out the noise, the basic concept of "noise reduction" implies using some method which reduces the amount of the noise relative to the amount of the signal. Since turning down the volume control reduces BOTH the signal and the noise together, without altering the signal-to-noise ratio, this simple-minded approach to "noise reduction" cannot possibly do what is intended!

WavePad's true noise-reduction is a very sophisticated method of increasing the signal-to-noise ratio by separating the noise from the signal by virtue of its frequency content.. The method of "spectral subtraction," which can often produce impressive results, first analyzes the noise spectrum from a sample taken during a time which is known to contain only the noise. This noise frequency spectrum is then subtracted from the total frequency spectrum; i.e., from the combined signal and noise. If the amplitudes of the noise frequencies are not a significant portion of the wanted signal, their removal from the total spectrum will produce a dramatic noise reduction while not degrading the signal content. This, then, is what noise reduction by spectral subtraction (exceptionally useful with hiss) is all about.

The amount of computer processing going on to accomplish this task is prodigious. This is why it takes so long to "clean" a computer sound file of hiss using the spectral subtraction noise-reduction process. As should be expected, this technique is amenable only for use on an already-recorded sound file. That is, it is not possible to do this "on-the-fly" during recording, as the poster (who obviously has no concept of this very sophisticated process) would like.

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The Bottom Line

Back to the drawing board, NCHNS :-)

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gooroo

Hi,

 

A 192kHz sample rate is fairly high and well outside the needs of the regular user. Going by the Nyquist–Shannon sampling theorem, (or common sense IMO) 96kHz will still accurately reproduce a 48kHz frequency; almost double the average human hearing ceiling.

 

As with most things, if there’s a reasonable interest, we’ll looking into what’s required to add the feature.

 

You do seem to have a real affinity, and a lot of spare time for this forum Gooroo– thanks mate

 

Thanks

M

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Perhaps Richard can hear frequencies as high as 96khz!! Either this or else he might not (perish the thought) understand the Nyquist Shannon sampling theorem. However, I suspect that it is the latter rather than the former. Surely the problem here is not a lack of common sense :-).

But more to the point, perhaps Richard should be asked the source of this 192khz aif file.

gooroo

I am using Switch Sound File Converter Plus v1.42 and note that "conversion options" do not allow for resolutions greater than 96000kHz. Is there any way around this limitation so that a 192kHz aiff could be converted to wav with no loss of resolution?

Let's hear it from one of you knowledgeable, helpful folks here in this forum. It is my understanding that a befuddled novice user who does not wish to pay for direct technical support from NCH is supposed to be able to get an answer to a technical question like this by posting it in the appropriate NCH forum (this is the appropriate forum for this question) and then wait for an answer.

And wait, and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait........ :-)

So who out there in that vast army of "lurkers" is going to step up to the plate now and give poor Richard a credible answer for his Almanac?

Anyone?

Anyone at all?

gooroo

Why does panning to either left or right make the once stereo recording sound mono? How can I make the balance of the recording playback in the middle of L/R instead of what it's doing now, which is playing more on the left side of the stereo playback? Thanks.

As far as I know (correct me if I am wrong, NCH), WavePad does not possess this capability. This is not the first time that this subject has been broached in the WavePad forum. Right and left channels cannot be independently manipulated, although they can be separated for viewing. Thus if you want to achieve a balance between the right and left channels within the sound file itself, rather than by using a channel balance control somewhere within the reproduction chain, you will have to use a different sound editing program.

If you, a novice WavePad user, are SERIOUSLY interested in pursuing this particular topic (been there, done that--and routinely balance the right/left channels when processing music files), send me a private message and I will provide you with one fully tried and confirmed solution. I suspect, however, that this little task may be more than you are willing to bite off at this point in time :-).

gooroo

i'm using audio software for vlf radiowaves research since 1993, words such as "regions" or "bookmarks" are unknown to me, at the moment, in this field.

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These are terms which are essential to understand if one is to use WavePad successfully for music editing. In particular, I use music editing software (I noticed that you mention Amadeus II for the Mac) to process large sound files which may consist of many _unrelated_ musical selections or, in other cases, may contain different movements of a classical music selection, which need to be separted and identified separately for further processing. It is in performing these music editing tasks that the notions of "regions" and the use of bookmarks to keep all of this business straight is virtually essential.

 

I of course understand that there are numerous sound editing tasks which perhaps do not require the understanding of these (basic, in _my_ opinion) editing tasks.

 

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hi gooroo :-)

thank you very much for your kind and very easy to understand replay/explanation about region and bookmark. since i'm also a very music (listener) lover, you almost give me the vision on how to cut different part of one song to be sewed later in a different way, though kept together with a particular "region". or maybe i have not understood anything...:-(

 

anyway you're giving me the will to try something different. thanks, i'll keep you update (don't worry, its always the same beginner will...:-)

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You are getting a lot closer to the heart of this matter :-)

Yes, it is about snipping out pieces of a long sound file and then reassembling them in a particular, organized manner. A piece of such a file, marked in a manner to permit its retrieval and use in this smaller identity, is known as a "region" by WavePad. You can learn about regions and how-to-do-it from the included WavePad help file. All of this marking and snipping, etc. requires keeping track of (note the bad English grammar :-)), and this is what bookmarks do for you. You can also learn about bookmarks in the WavePad help file.

I am glad that you are making progress. You are much more fortunate than most of the poor souls in this forum who are struggling to find their way.

Don't give up.....

gooroo

hello gooroo,

your philosophy is probably right and easy to understand. anyway, just to clarify a little bit (and, be sure :-) no more than 1 time), i'll say that, though i'm using audio software for vlf radiowaves research since 1993, words such as "regions" or "bookmarks" are unknown to me, at the moment, in this field.

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These are terms which are essential to understand if one is to use WavePad successfully for music editing. In particular, I use music editing software (I noticed that you mention Amadeus II for the Mac) to process large sound files which may consist of many _unrelated_ musical selections or, in other cases, may contain different movements of a classical music selection, which need to be separted and identified separately for further processing. It is in performing these music editing tasks that the notions of "regions" and the use of bookmarks to keep all of this business straight is virtually essential.

 

I of course understand that there are numerous sound editing tasks which perhaps do not require the understanding of these (basic, in _my_ opinion) editing tasks.

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moreover just say how different any of us experience may be especially regarding what *you* have to do, i am using the mac since 1997 with soundedit, macthescope, amadeus II and pro, spectrafoo, signalscope pro and some more. still searching for something new and (hopefully) better, even to be proposed to other friends and collegues in our worldwide association (The Inspire Project) and journal, for the mac area, of course.

so far i have to say that the best suited for the vlf purpose is probably "spectrumlab" a freeware from a german ham, for win pc only.

maybe spectrumlab lacks a lot of very important features for the music or other audio fields but, as i said before, it depends on what *you* need to do. i do not see any vlf related software in the mac community, so i have to look for in different roads in order to realize the products who better fit with our needs.

anyway, since i'm not an english language guy, i may have misunderstood your meaning. i'm sorry about that.

 

i'd like take this opportunity to suggest (if i may) to the wavepad people to better clarify the difference between the 2 edition in the wavepad web pages directly. from my perspective potentially buyers will find that explanation useful.

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Suggest away :-). However, it has been my experience using WavePad, and following this forum for a long period of time, that this will not happen. You will note (if you make the considerable effort) that the vast majority of questions directed (particularly by new users such as yourself) into "thin air" for desperate clarification by somebody, somewhere, novice and/or experienced, are never answered. It is exceptionally rare when questions such as the type which you have will be answered here by those who, in my opinion, should be providing these answers. In other words, these answers for clarity and transparency and informed knowledge are quite unlikely to come from the general readership of these NCH forums; most of these folks are simply struggling tremendously to make sense of this whole complex scenario.

 

Apparently the NCH business model for selling an extensive line of audio-related software does not provide for such clarity and transparency, with the cost of doing business being given as the reason. Extremely few competing audio software developers use this same business model, although many do maintain user forums for discussion of their products. There is a huge difference here, in that _this_ forum is not a supplement to continuing support provided by NCH to its customers; rather, it is intended to serve as the sole support for those who choose not to pay an additional premium for direct company support.

 

If I have this wrong, I would like to apologize to NCH for getting it wrong.....Surely "the proof of the pudding is in the eating".

 

gooroo

Using WavePad the noise reduction features does an excellent job of removing background hiss (possibly caused by my inexpenseive microphone) from audio files created by recording my voice or while playing my banjo. Is there any way to remove background hiss DURING recording, rather than having to use WavePad to remove the his from the recorded file after the fact?

Count your blessings!!

gooroo