FlyingNando SV Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 This thread will be about my Video use, issues and Progress as the tittle says this was not the start of it, however, though might be useful to others if they can follow my issues and how hopefully they have been solved or not. As the developers also operate on here, that maybe they can use this to either get a heads of issues to come or get confirmations of issues being reported started off by posting on someone eases thread with a rant as i was very frustrated, as can be expected after many hours of work and things falling apart this can be followed from the link http://nch.invisionzone.com/topic/30392-leaving-videopad/ from within the link, i was given a link to a beta version however by the time i downloaded the Beta version, i had already downgraded the footage to 2.7k fro 4k, and did not have a chance to test it properly Was busy with a project before we went away sailing, that is still not finalized, however have now started working on the sailing footage as that fits in a lot more with our plans for our sailing youtube channel, then the unfinished project one of the pieces of advice that i was given was that to have multiple smaller projects instead of the one huge gigantic projects as our sailing videos are going to be big(250Gig of footage - just under 11hrs to edit), started down this road, and have already picked up issue with the Beta version that i had downloaded as can be traced back to the link posted above started doing video clip for video clip, cutting out useful footage and exporting to a working folder, so that i work with video clip by video clip, keeping the project as small as possible for as long as possible, eventually it will need to become BIG last night whilst doing as above, the one video clip would only play up to a point, then the footage would stop playing whilst the sound would keep playing steps taken to remedy the situation - deleted the video clip, and re imported the video clip - closed the project without saving, and opened a new project - cleared the cache and restarted a new project - restarted laptop - started a new project none of the above helped eventually, remembered that one of the tech support guys had also sent me a link to an updated version, so went looking for that email, found the link, and downloaded that version think it was similar link to what had been given to me on the forum, just not in Beta, and then the issue was gone concerns: all versions seem to work fine when downloaded, and then it looks like they slowly start to deteriorate till they become unusable - is there a conflict in the video pad software that corrupts the files over time/use or - are the windows updates corrupting the Video pad software - is it something else that i am doing - am i the only one having these issue my laptop is used only for editing, uploading to youtube and a other related functions, as i have other devices for day to day needs other software on my laptop - GIMP and Inkscape . both used to make Logos and thumbnails for the uploaded videos all help would be highly appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borate Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 VP engineers are regularly apprised of issues, and quickly deal with those that are serious. Clearing Unused Cache Files prior to beginning a new production and perhaps prior to export isn't a bad idea. Performance deterioration over time hasn't been reported routinely, AFAIK. That said, there can be slowdowns when dealing with 4K material or very large files. In general, for best efficiency... Allow the sequence to fully cache (completed greens lines above thumbnails). If operation seems sluggish, consider employing PROXY editing. This approach is not exclusive to VP. There is no specified track number limitation. 50 have been seen in a project tested here. Yet, good practice and memory management suggests that they be kept to a reasonable level. At clean cut points where there is no content overlap, overlay new clips on lower tracks that already have content instead of adding a new track. Memory may be insufficient for some 4K projects, and export may fail or be partial. Output at 2K or HD resolution and the result should be good. Try the AVI container instead of the default Mp4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingNando SV Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 Quote " That said, there can be slowdowns when dealing with 4K material or very large files. In general, for best efficiency..." if 4k was the issue then it should of done it with all the other similar activities as all i have been doing so far with the 11 hrs of footage is selecting short clips from 5min:26 sec folders that the DJi Osmo Pocket creates, and exporting the short video clips onto a working folder on my desktop Quote "Allow the sequence to fully cache (completed greens lines above thumbnails)." yep, do that Quote "There is no specified track number limitation. 50 have been seen in a project tested here. Yet, good practice and memory management suggests that they be kept to a reasonable level. At clean cut points where there is no content overlap, overlay new clips on lower tracks that already have content instead of adding a new track." think the most i have ever used has been 7 tracks. and actually add footage right next to the previous clip on the track, to avoid all this tall list of tracks and scrolling up and down. only reason why i went as high as 7 was when i added water marks, titles, rotating "subscribe" symbols will post link to a video where that can be seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcWLia13hKU&t=131s Quote "Memory may be insufficient for some 4K projects, and export may fail or be partial. Output at 2K or HD resolution and the result should be good. Try the AVI container instead of the default Mp4." 16gig of memory, and SSD hard drive - bought a gaming laptop for the editing looking forward to VP changing to where the Graphics card will get more use then currently will have a look at the AVI format going forward am kind of dumb with sort of things, however what is the advantage of using either AVI or MP4 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borate Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Quote What is the advantage of using either AVI or MP4? Mp4 and AVI are containers for various codecs, some of which may perform better with certain projects. As an example, using their respective H264 encoders, a project here would not export as Mp4, but succeeded as AVI. Quote If 4k was the issue then it should of done it with all the other similar activities as all i have been doing. How you describe handling the clips doesn't seem to be an issue. The 4K reference was an observation that very large files can bog down any editor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingNando SV Posted April 3, 2020 Author Share Posted April 3, 2020 On 3/28/2020 at 1:55 PM, borate said: Mp4 and AVI are containers for various codecs, some of which may perform better with certain projects. As an example, using their respective H264 encoders, a project here would not export as Mp4, but succeeded as AVI. How you describe handling the clips doesn't seem to be an issue. The 4K reference was an observation that very large files can bog down any editor. thanx for the reply sorry for the slow reply will try out the AVI as i go along what i have been doing due to the huge amount of footage that i have is, I take a video for video (Osmo Pocket Videos are 3.8Gig - file size and 5min 26 long) and i cut out and export every usable video clip individually, that i might use down the road, even if i dont use all the video clips, that will be besides the point when i create the main video, will then import video for video as needed, although it will still be a huge project - so i think will try to remember to post the links to my projects on here for comments and advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingNando SV Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 Right Back Into the BS and DON'T tell me to use dropbox or one drive, as the files that are used to make the video are way too big for drop Box and Onedrive or whatever other free storage systems in .AVI it only exports a few seconds In MP4, it exports the whole Sound track with Extremely Choppy Video, where it only shows maybe half a dozen frames of a 40 second and a 50 a 51 secondsound track have tried 4k, and 4k youtube, and the results are similar this is supposed to be a tailor to another video that i am working on, that is almost finished and now am stuck with the same old BS this is getting a bit too much Help Urgently Needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borate Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Export at 2K and see how that fares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingNando SV Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, borate said: Export at 2K and see how that fares. thank you very much for the quick response it did export in 2k however there was a lot of effort in filming everything in 4k will give more details in the next post in a few min am also about to upload the video onto youtube, then you guys can see what i am up to all the logos, overlays and and and Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingNando SV Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 not sure if this will help drone is 4k 25fps camera is 4k 60fps could this be the source of the conflict youtube now displays a 4k symbol when footage is uploaded in 4k, and personalty think that that will be good for the videos in future as internet speeds improve around the world this is why i am chasing the 4k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingNando SV Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 here is a link to the video that would not export in 4k, however it exported in 2k am going to sleep for a while went to bed at 23H30 and was back editing just after 03H00 will give a breakdown of what editing took place at what times, and what effects were used https://studio.youtube.com/video/KnPJkf7hXx0/edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borate Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 The devs are always tweaking performance. Nothing official, but a large 4K project may be butting up against VP memory limitations - it's a 32-bit app (for now). There are convolutions that have succeeded here, but they aren't worth the hassle IMO. 2K generally does well and looks sharp. Can't say whether the differing frame rates have an impact. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable will chime in... Your link responds "oops, something went wrong." Don't forget to share it publicly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingNando SV Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 6 hours ago, borate said: The devs are always tweaking performance. Nothing official, but a large 4K project may be butting up against VP memory limitations - it's a 32-bit app (for now). There are convolutions that have succeeded here, but they aren't worth the hassle IMO. 2K generally does well and looks sharp. Can't say whether the differing frame rates have an impact. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable will chime in... Your link responds "oops, something went wrong." Don't forget to share it publicly. maybe the link wasent ready from youtube side yet, have had that often, just after the video has been published Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingNando SV Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 project details 4 video Files from Mavic pro 1 - Stored on an external HD 4Gig Toshiba - Brand New ( had same issues when using the older 2Gig HD also Toshiba (full and Packed Away) DJI_0278 MP4 File (.MP4) 3,80 GB (4 089 677 287 bytes) 3840 X 2160 25fps Data rate 60028kbps Total bitrate 60028kbps DJI_0279 2,93 GB (3 150 093 436 bytes) Data rate 60032kbps Total bitrate 60032kbps DJI_0280 3,80 GB (4 090 939 994 bytes) Data rate 60047kbps Total bitrate 60047kbps DJI_0281 406 MB (426 715 013 bytes) Data rate 59886kbps Total bitrate 59886kbps Videos Files from DJI Osmo Pocket - Stored as above in the same Folder DJI_0665 MP4 File (.MP4) 3,80 GB (4 090 271 682 bytes) 3840 X 2160 59.94fps Data rate 99870kbps Total bitrate 100059kbps DJI_0666 MP4 File (.MP4) 3,80 GB (4 090 180 604 bytes) Data rate 99867kbps Total bitrate 100057kbps DJI_0667 MP4 File (.MP4) 3,80 GB (4 090 312 727 bytes) Data rate 99870kbps Total bitrate 100060kbps DJI_0668 MP4 File (.MP4) 3,80 GB (4 090 137 811 bytes) Data rate 99866 Total bitrate 100055kbps DJI_0669 MP4 File (.MP4) 3,80 GB (4 090 199 450 bytes) Data rate 99867kbps Total bitrate 100057kbps Videos from Canon SX60 - stored as above in the same folder as it was one event MVI_5094 MP4 File (.MP4) 511 MB (536 784 005 bytes) 1920 X 1080 59.94fps Data rate 34772kbps Total bitrate 34899kbps MVI_5095 503 MB (528 247 868 bytes) Data rate 34499kbps Total bitrate 34626kbps Logos and Animations that i have created over time, stored on the Laptops SSD, in a folder called water marks that has various small animations and logos its a roating Facebook logo, witha voice over asking people to join our FB group Favebook MP4 File (.mp4) 3,26 MB (3 424 257 bytes) 3840 X 2160 60,00fps Data rate 4416kbps Total bitrate 4557kbps this rating logo was created using VP already on this laptop LogoRotateNew 9,55 MB (10 022 394 bytes) 2304 X 2304 22,89fps Data rate 26719kbps Total bitrate 2672kbps this logo was created using, think already on this laptop Untitled 1 MP4 File (.mp4) 28,1 KB (28 852 bytes) 1280 X 548 10.26fps Data rate 71kbps Total bitrate 73kbps have used music from youtube free music have 8 Sequence open, some with Projects from the same footage, some used as scratch pads to cut out only pieces of what ever i need need to resolve this issue, as the other current projects on the same projects are very important in me achieving our goals for our channel and us, and i will be working on those projects today and the full project of catching the drone is almost done could take a video of the time line and post it on one of my other channels, if that will help, am willing to upload the project somewhere where it wont cost me money to store the project it is very important that the 4k export works properly it appears that once multi tracks starts being used and becomes busy that, that is when the issue start before this have been extracting small videos from the original videos and storing them in a working folder, and that went ok, with one hitch that i picked up when exporting, and on that exported video, there was a distorted second or so. re exported and it was fine the second time. think it was a combination of two small pieces into what was still a very short video clip with no effects added looking forward to getting this issue resolved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borate Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 To be frank, strictly IMO, unless you settle for 2K export you're in for a losing battle. But if you're hell-bent on 4K, try this. No guarantee. Whatever your film's length the same thinking applies, During the edit, do not include global effects such as a watermark that runs throughout. SAVE the completed edit First try an export by deleting all unused sequences, clearing cache, then creating a blank Sequence 2 by clicking the + sign to the right of Sequence 1. Click the Sequences tab above the bin and drop Sequence One into the blank Sequence 2. Add global effects, then export. Worth a quick test. This is now a single, composited clip. Effects/transitions, overlays, audio tracks won't show up on the sequence but they're there. If this fails, split the project. Using a 5-minute effort as an example... Start by removing all sequences except the one used for the final project, and clear unused cache files. 1. Split out the first minute of the project (plus a few seconds overlap) and delete the rest. 2. Click the + sign to the right of the Sequence 1 tab to create a new blank sequence. 3. Drag Sequence 1 into Sequence 2. 4. Export Sequence 2. Repeatedly press <ctrl-Z> (EDIT | UNDO) until only Sequence 1 is again shown IN FULL on the timeline. If you go back too far, click <ctrl-Y> (EDIT | REDO) Split out the second minute plus a few seconds overlap at each end, and delete all other content. Repeat the steps above for each remaining segment. When all have been exported, restart VP, Clear the Unused Cache Files and import all parts in order. Clean up the edit points, eliminating overlaps. Add global effects, such as a watermark. Export at 4K. You can try lossless but it likely won't work if a global overlay has been added. Considering that all the fancy stuff is now composited and won't require processing, this may succeed. It has here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingNando SV Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 thank you for the reply and effort will give it a try however, have another and new issue am assuming that the above link to the catching of the drone has been viewed. that was just a tease have gone back to the main project, and where i have two videos on the one screen eg top Left, have a video that has the effect 'Scale' 70% (Video Track 2) and on the bottom right have a video that is effect Scale 40% (Video Track 1) if i hide the one Video track then the video that dosent displays, now displays without the other one, and vice versa, however they dont display together yesterday morning when i finished the video discussed above with the link, this part of the project(main video) played fine, displaying both Videos in their respective scales on the screen left everything on, and had saved the project on the Save Project Disk Symbol did not work on anything yesterday, needed a break from not sleeping properly over the last few nights this morning sit down and start seeing how things look, so that i can finish up, and now it wont display both video on the screen when i play have shut down the project, and restarted it, thought maybe the hard drive had gone to sleep, however nothing need help with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingNando SV Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 quick update the one video clip on track two, moved it to tack 3 and now they both display with their correct scales and the correct overlap, and the other clips with a similar situation now all display also the short clip that i have moved to track 3, if i move it back to track2, the only the one video clip shows, and all the other ones dont display this sounds crazy, however it is happening am willing to do a video call on whatsapp or something else similar with the developers or someone else who is working on VP to show the issues - this is how someone has been helping me with the editing advice again am willing to upload the project to somewhere as long as i dont have to pay for storage, for the developers to work through it - have an uncapped connection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingNando SV Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 just tried to export the Video, yes in 4k, with no water marks, or rotating symbols or rotating logos and straight away there is an issue , it exported less then 1 second of the beginning of the video this is no good BIG issue, is that i am out of my comfort zone, and has taken huge efforts to learn VP up to this point. so to now go learn something else will set me back almost 3 years yep, that is when i 1st started using VP and started learning how everything works on VP, and started attempting and learning how to edit this is hugely disappointing and frustrating - a very very sad day in our journey into making videos how far is the 64bit VP - maybe that will help 🥵 🥵😪😪😥😥 called a friend who knows lots about video and video compression and that sort of things it is now exporting - very slow, reminds me of working with the old laptop and VP version 5(had no issues) will update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borate Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Quote Am assuming that the above link to the catching of the drone has been viewed... No, your link still responds with "Ooops, something went wrong." Without seeing the project, or the portion that has the overlay problem you describe, it's tough to say what is going on. Upload and share an example if possible. Higher tracks override lower tracks, as you know. If a 70% scaled clip is on a lower track and a 40% scaled clip is on the next higher track, the 40 will overlay the 70 - picture in picture - as in the example below where track 1 is a color background, 2 is wildlife and 3 is the pooch. The recommendations for 4K export mentioned earlier may succeed. They have here. But 2K output will give less grief and look sharp on YouTube and most any PC. Again, IMO, you may be bumping the current limits of VP memory with long, 4K material. AFAIK, there's no timeline, but a 64-bit version is on the burner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingNando SV Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 here is the link again https://youtu.be/KnPJkf7hXx0 very similar to your pic, just that there is no background color, it stays as black/blank have moved onto the full project think there are a few posts in-between, where i phoned a friend it is currently exporting ( the full project) without any water marks or animations with lots and lots of split screens the way that i ma doing it now, takes very very very long, however looks like its working will update when done if it works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borate Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Looks like fun! Inspect your 4K export carefully for early termination or missing elements. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingNando SV Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 the very high quality did not work out, as the 4k image inside another one did not play in some places have dropped the quality to one lower, however still in 4k, and it is again exporting have switched to H265 one of these must work along the line yep, could not get it to work yep VP cant do $k this is a very sad day indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borate Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 If you haven't yet tried the two suggested methods outlined earlier perhaps you should. Again, 2K export tends to work well and look great. File a suggestion or bug. Click the chevron at the top-right of the VP window for the drop-down menu. The devs do read the comments. If ever you get sufficient server space to upload your portable project folder or a portion thereof we'll be interested in testing. Best of luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingNando SV Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 the main project even has bugs when in 2k sadly will need to learn something else as i cant keep wasting my time on VP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_major Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Thanks for the input. Yes, we are working on 64 bit VideoPad. We are hopping it can be released it in a couple months of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingNando SV Posted April 6, 2020 Author Share Posted April 6, 2020 thanx for the offer to help currently the project has overlays, of video over video, witch i used effects to do, however no water marks yet or any of those rotating logos yet was trying to do as suggested that i export the video and add the logos and water marks and all other decorations onto an exported video later will need to be guided how to do this will i be guided here or via PM thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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