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  1. eltonbuddha

    Version 6.10 is from another planet

    Hi again Nat, we "crossed in the mail". Yes! I've also found that the join line is the epicenter of preview nastiness. A big hint for me was when I noticed that jumping to the start of the next clip in the sequence with shift-right, the frame that appears in the sequence pane is the last frame of the previous clip. If I then advance one frame, the sequence preview has no problem with the clip. It's like VP considers the first frame of the current clip to be a bastard child of the previous clip. This seems to only happen if the previous clip has effects - which almost all mine do. I almost wish I were a developer on this product. I can almost see in my software engineer mind's eye what the code is doing wrong.
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    Version 6.10 is from another planet

    Thanks Borate. Point of information: it's not normal for the green preview line to be missing due to slo-mo. I have many examples to the contrary. And how could it be normal to leave the user clueless about the progress of preview building? Are there really so many problems in 6.10 that minor aberrations are dismissed as normal? How far we've fallen from 2.x. Not to belabor this, but I do understand that I can get where I want to go by manually reconstructing all my 3,500 old projects, exporting the result, then importing that in order to get a stable preview. The travesty of the situation is that it appears to be the consensus here that, with so many changes since 2.x, of course 6.10 can't deal with even very simple video effects from such an ancient version. So I paid pretty good money to upgrade, with not only no advantages (except being able to run in Windows 10, which 2.x can't), but having to start over with the promise that the result will never be as good as what 2.x produced (since not playable within VP). I led a team of developers for many years, and a key requirement for new versions was backwards compatibility. We couldn't dream of putting an upgrade on the street that made a hash of work done by prior versions. Old school, I guess.
  3. eltonbuddha

    Version 6.10 is from another planet

    Nat, Thanks for researching this so thoroughly. To answer your questions: The project is the result of being opened in 6.10. It was created 2 years ago in VP 2.x. In that version, I set only zoom and sharpen. VP 6.1 changed the zoom to crop AND motion. Whatever "motion" is, it didn't exist in the old VP, but 6.10 has done this to all my old projects. Zoom is gone and replaced with crop and "motion". The blank at the end was inserted by me in the original. I usually do this since the old VP would wrap to the start of the sequence if I let it play to the end, so a blank of a second or two would give me time to hit the stop button. The second clip was created in the old VP with the "duplicate clip" command (ctrl-d). I suppose this is the same as copy/paste clip in 6.10. I then changed the speed to 60%. I haven't touched this project in 2 years till I opened it last night in 6.10. I let VP finish building the preview and then, voila. What you see. I guess I need some more education about terminology in 6.10. You say you put the raw file in the "Clip bin". I don't see such a bin. The file displays in the "video files" bin on my computer, as I would expect. What is the "clip bin" and how do I display it? As you pointed out, the export is fine. I have found this to be always true so far with 6.10. Whatever bizarre shenanigans preview does, the exported file behaves correctly. I have even found occasionally that exporting can "heal" preview somewhat, in the sense that after exporting, exiting VP and playing the exported video to see if it looks OK, then reopening VP, it does preview much more smoothly, as if it "learned" how to preview by exporting first! Not every time, mind you, but often enough that it makes me wonder. Maybe this is a hint for the developers.
  4. eltonbuddha

    Version 6.10 is from another planet

    Here's another tiny project that demo's sequence preview wetting the bed. https://www.dropbox.com/s/n0xxgrfi6z4k219/Little girl trying to jump over a physio-ball - very cute.zip?dl=0 The first clip is normal speed, the second is slowed to 60%. Notice the first clip freezes video several frames in before resuming near the end. The blue "building preview" message flashes briefly as this pause starts. Needless to say, no preview building is actually going on, based on watching for activity in the cache folder on my SSD. Here's where it really gets interesting: I emptied the cache with no project open so the preview would have to get rebuilt next time I opened. I watched the green progress bars complete. NO CHANGE! Same thing happens sequence previewing. Somehow the bogus pause to await rebuild has been baked into the project itself. It's not a "creature from the cache lagoon". Also notice clip 2 never gets a green bar, even though it previews better than clip 1!? P.S. The little girl was not hurt. It's from a "try not to laugh challenge" submitted by her parents on social media.
  5. eltonbuddha

    Version 6.10 is from another planet

    Thanks, I'll try that for embedding speed change.. I meant to note a couple posts back that DropBox did indeed work for including a link to my zipped project. It just doesn't seem to work for images.
  6. eltonbuddha

    Version 6.10 is from another planet

    Thanks for checking this out. The video file does indeed have a lot of fits and starts. It's a Debut capture of a YouTube video playing in Opera. It took me awhile, years ago, to realize Opera is not the best browser for capturing bits and pieces of a streaming video on the fly. But... my old VP had none of the problems that 6.10 has with this and similar video files. Certainly I never had to worry about what speed change did to other effects. You advise adding speed change at the end of the effect chain on a clip. That sounds like I have to punt on preview once I change speeds. Furthermore, many source source files have crazy speed changes at random places, and I have to do speed change in VP to get a sense of what other effects are worth applying to some clips. Not to mention that on many 6.10 projects, I have applied speed last, and other effects got lost, not just audio. Sometimes zoom disappears, sometimes sharpen goes away. It's a depressing crap shoot. BTW, so far none of the anomalies I've seen in preview occur in exported files, so I'm not surprised you were able to make an intact output. It would be nice to experience the final result of edits within VP before exporting. I've had to resort to exporting some projects the past few days just to see what the edits look like. But then if I see something I want to change, it's back into VP to shoot in the dark with the effects editor, and then export again. Ugh! I hope you don't feel like I'm taking my frustration out on you "Einstein" guys. I can see how helpful y'all are on this thread and many others I've read in this forum. I'm grateful you're here and responsive.
  7. eltonbuddha

    Version 6.10 is from another planet

    Here's a very tiny project that demos how VP 6.10 doesn't handle speed change and zoom on the same clip. (This clip also has sharpen set to 1.00) https://www.dropbox.com/s/pho3vdb2wnz6sc1/Jen ny.zip?dl=0 What actually happens when I open this project varies, but in every case, the result is a total muddle. Sometimes VP crashes trying to open it (it refuses to preview and exiting the user interface closes it but the process is still running like crazy and must be terminated in task manager). For example, clip preview silences the audio. There's no thumbnail in the sequence line in storyboard mode. Trying to add zoom... never works and fiddling with it and changing speed back to 100% to see if that makes things better will eventually crash VP, so beware.
  8. eltonbuddha

    Version 6.10 is from another planet

    OK, thanks. I see what you mean. Kind of confusing the way it displays all the time regardless of the actual state of the cache. I took it as evidence that the cache is being eternally churned, which I thought might explain the spastic behavior of sequence preview when at least some of the clips have video effects added. I have almost got reproducible scenarios for some of these problems, but will start another thread for those.
  9. eltonbuddha

    Version 6.10 is from another planet

    Here it is Notice there is no "progress bar" in sight. In any case, every project so far ALWAYS says this even if all clips have had green bars over them for hours. Also, someone might want to change the "tips for getting help on this forum" to delete DropBox as one of the ways to insert links to media in a post. Pictr works fine, thanks for the tip, but DropBox won't work on bet.
  10. eltonbuddha

    Version 6.10 is from another planet

    I put a jpeg of my screen grab in my public DropBox folder and copied the resulting URL to my clipboard. I inserted the URL in the post as you describe above, but nothing happened on 3 tries. Does DropBox not work for media in this forum? Do I have to use pictr.com?
  11. eltonbuddha

    Version 6.10 is from another planet

    When I hover the mouse under sequence preview, I always get a message about... well here it is ...well, I hope you can see the screen grab I've inserted into this post 3 times. I still can't
  12. eltonbuddha

    Version 6.10 is from another planet

    I used the corners all the time with the old version of VP - it had no problem maintaining the AR. Faster and easier to resize this way. So if this is by design, they're wasting these 4 points, making them replicate what is far easier to do by just grabbing any ol' spot in the rectangle. Oh well, just another way 6.10 adds to my workload. Far worse is the pile of erratic behaviors and outright crashes working with some of my older .vpjs. I have a tiny one that contain only a 12 second video file. VP plays the audio in clip preview but NOT in sequence preview. If I set a zoom and sharpening and select a frame for thumbnail, 6.10 goes bonkers. I had no problems whatsoever with the old version of the software. In general, sequence preview seems to be a radioactive no-mans land. I've reinstalled the software, moved cache to SSD & cleared it often, minimized frame rate and resolution, all the over-the-counter remedies I've read about on this forum and been told about by tech support. I've seen preview building get (temporarily) BETTER after INCREASING the frame rate. In some cases I've had to export and then re-import just to see the results of my edits.
  13. eltonbuddha

    Version 6.10 is from another planet

    I just discovered that all 8 DO indeed work if no restraint is applied. I was doing 16:9 restraint and that changes the corners to translation only. Is that just me, or do you see that as well?
  14. eltonbuddha

    Version 6.10 is from another planet

    Ah, effectchain makes sense now. Thanks. I watched the video tutorial on animating zoom. It shows the rectangular widget being resized by the corner points as well as the 4 side points. But in 6.10, the corners only move the rectangle position. They don't resize it. Only the side points do that. Is this a bug or did this change between the demo'd version and 6.10?
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    Version 6.10 is from another planet

    Thanks for pointing me to keyframe. I didn't know it would be defined under "effect animation" within the effects help page. So "effectchain" is defined in Wavepad, which I don't have. Do I have to buy other NCH products in order to have full doc on VP? Which others do I need?
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